Prometheus: a space travesty
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sevenswellsSo, yeah, I saw Prometheus. Suffice to say I was not pleased.
Please don't tell me that the film "brings more questions than answers" and that I didn't understand its point. It's not about the "metaphysical" questions that don't find answers, it's about basic common logic that just doesn't work in the plot. There are movies that are supposed to be a bit obscure and provoke questions and thoughts, and then there's just shoddy writing. Guess in which category Prometheus falls in.
The more I think about it, the more it makes me angry.
It's not just that the plot was moronic and incoherent, the characters poorly built, vacant and devoid of charisma; it's the fact that I think Scott made this movie to re-introduce Christianism and the notion of divinity in the Alien verse, which was initially a nihilistic one: "in space," said the catch phrase at the time, "no one can hear you scream."
That was the point in the first Alien to me: when you face a creature like this and you're lost in space, there is no god, there is nothing: just brutal and absurd violence, no help, no escape, no providence. You die horribly because fuck you.
And now with Prometheus we have this scientist who travels through space to meet her literal makers, and she still wears a Christian cross even though by that point she must have realised that Jesus being the son of God was bullshit if she actually believed in her own theory, and after meeting the dudes responsible for all life on Earth (who turn out to be more than a bit douchey), she still asks for her cross. And she anounces the date in the voice-over monologue at the end with "in the year of Our Lord 2093". What the hell?
Why mention a Christian cross at all? What did it have to do with anything if it wasn't just shameless proselytism on Scott's part? Why, when the biologist of the team (also a moron like the rest of the so-called "scientists" of the team, but only at that moment I felt he had a point) tells Shaw "what about Darwinism? You can't just shit on hundreds of years of evolutionism like that, do you have anything other than a few cave paintings to back up what you say?", she answers "I chose to believe!"? Say what? Is that supposed to be an answer? I'm sorry, where did you get your doctorate again?
Prometheus is a betrayal of the first Alien's philosophy. Not only an offensively badly written film, but the perversion of a pure and interesting concept.
ETA: Fucking shit I was right: http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444
"The Prometheus crew calculates that the Engineers decided humanity was to be destroyed 2000 years ago, around the time of Jesus Christ. That specific date is not insignificant in relation to the Prometheus follow-up and answering the question of why our race was targeted for destruction" (Quote from the article)
“We definitely did [have that in the script], and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.’”(Quote from Ridley Scott himself)
I have no words.
No, in fact, I have: Please Ridley Scott, please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Moreover, if you put together this video:
And this review by Maddox, you don't even have the complete list all the plotholes and incoherences and logic!fails contained in Prometheus. I swear, I could list even more of them. God.
I don't understand this era we live in. No, honestly, I don't. This crap, a prequel to The Thing, a remake of Total Recall... Why? Is our age the doom of pop culture? Where we keep repeating stuff and make it less interesting that it was?
Please don't tell me that the film "brings more questions than answers" and that I didn't understand its point. It's not about the "metaphysical" questions that don't find answers, it's about basic common logic that just doesn't work in the plot. There are movies that are supposed to be a bit obscure and provoke questions and thoughts, and then there's just shoddy writing. Guess in which category Prometheus falls in.
The more I think about it, the more it makes me angry.
It's not just that the plot was moronic and incoherent, the characters poorly built, vacant and devoid of charisma; it's the fact that I think Scott made this movie to re-introduce Christianism and the notion of divinity in the Alien verse, which was initially a nihilistic one: "in space," said the catch phrase at the time, "no one can hear you scream."
That was the point in the first Alien to me: when you face a creature like this and you're lost in space, there is no god, there is nothing: just brutal and absurd violence, no help, no escape, no providence. You die horribly because fuck you.
And now with Prometheus we have this scientist who travels through space to meet her literal makers, and she still wears a Christian cross even though by that point she must have realised that Jesus being the son of God was bullshit if she actually believed in her own theory, and after meeting the dudes responsible for all life on Earth (who turn out to be more than a bit douchey), she still asks for her cross. And she anounces the date in the voice-over monologue at the end with "in the year of Our Lord 2093". What the hell?
Why mention a Christian cross at all? What did it have to do with anything if it wasn't just shameless proselytism on Scott's part? Why, when the biologist of the team (also a moron like the rest of the so-called "scientists" of the team, but only at that moment I felt he had a point) tells Shaw "what about Darwinism? You can't just shit on hundreds of years of evolutionism like that, do you have anything other than a few cave paintings to back up what you say?", she answers "I chose to believe!"? Say what? Is that supposed to be an answer? I'm sorry, where did you get your doctorate again?
Prometheus is a betrayal of the first Alien's philosophy. Not only an offensively badly written film, but the perversion of a pure and interesting concept.
ETA: Fucking shit I was right: http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444
"The Prometheus crew calculates that the Engineers decided humanity was to be destroyed 2000 years ago, around the time of Jesus Christ. That specific date is not insignificant in relation to the Prometheus follow-up and answering the question of why our race was targeted for destruction" (Quote from the article)
“We definitely did [have that in the script], and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.’”(Quote from Ridley Scott himself)
I have no words.
No, in fact, I have: Please Ridley Scott, please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Moreover, if you put together this video:
And this review by Maddox, you don't even have the complete list all the plotholes and incoherences and logic!fails contained in Prometheus. I swear, I could list even more of them. God.
I don't understand this era we live in. No, honestly, I don't. This crap, a prequel to The Thing, a remake of Total Recall... Why? Is our age the doom of pop culture? Where we keep repeating stuff and make it less interesting that it was?
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Date: 2012-06-17 09:48 pm (UTC)Gimme Hicks and big gun over that kind of "they'll think it's arty" Hollywood bollocks any day.
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Date: 2012-06-18 01:23 pm (UTC)And you're probably making the right choice by not seeing it. When I first saw it, I was mildly irritated, but then this irritation just grew into simmering anger and now that I've read about Ridley Scott's intentions in this article: http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444 I'm downright furious.
I can't handle this amount of stupidity. Quote from Ridley Scott: “We definitely did [have that in the script], and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.’”
THE ROMAN EMPIRE! OUT OF CONTROL! OMG Scott, what kind of dumbass are you? Not only are you offensive to scientists with that shitty movie, but don't mess with historians as well, you'll get fucking burned! And Jesus being an Engineer sent to "stop" the Roman empire makes me want to weep on the millions of dollars that were given to that man to produce this crap. It makes me want to set stuff on fire, including myself. They crucified Jesus the Engineer, so now the Engineers want to destroy humanity with xenomorphs.
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Don't talk out loud, Scott, you're lowering the IQ of the entire planet.
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Date: 2012-06-18 02:20 pm (UTC)I've worked for the film industry, and not once did anyone high-up in the process think to ask an authority on their subject what was right, just what would make good entertainment.
I hate having my intelligence insulted. I appreciate the need for suspension of disbelief to create a film world, but with fantasy and sci-fi, GET THE SCIENCE RIGHT, at least, cause, you know, a lot of the audience is gonna know more than your characters.
Avengers managed this admirably, as have many other films, hell even the shitty Star Trek movies (and of course the good ones, too) had it down pat. It can be done, Hollywood.
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Date: 2012-06-17 09:55 pm (UTC)Now, it sure as hell is a bad thing when it's done poorly, but the fact is that remaking and rewriting and inventing prequels and sequels to already existing works is part of the artistic history of this era, I think, and when well done it can be as thought-provoking and engaging as any "original" (for a given value of the word, obvs) piece of work.
Doesn't excuse Prometheus from being a piece of crap, though. It's certainly disappointed a lot of people around me — I think I'll go see Snow White & the Huntsman instead. (Dark and gritty reimagining of a traditionally cheesy fairytale with lesbian undertones and two female main leads? Damn.)
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Date: 2012-06-18 01:49 pm (UTC)The second problem I have with those remakes/prequels/reboots, is that I've yet to find one that really convinces me and brings a different perspective/originality to the work they're derived from. Honestly, it looks to me like they're just preying on nostalgia of the times where the good stuff was made. And, well, it doesn't work for me, not even on a nostalgic level. Nobody takes risks anymore, or sometimes, like with Prometheus, they do it to ruin absolutely everything that was good about the original work.
On the other hand, I guess the good thing about these decades is that we have Korra, for example. And that *is* a good thing, the kind of fantastic original new exciting EPIC stuff that I'm asking for. I don't think it compensates for all the horrible, offensive, depressing or just deeply unoriginal crap that our times are capable of producing, but at least it's something.
I think I'll go see Snow White & the Huntsman instead. (Dark and gritty reimagining of a traditionally cheesy fairytale with lesbian undertones and two female main leads? Damn.)
Hahahaha, I'm sorry in advance for what you're about to go see, darling.
I went to see it with Diane and Christelle, specifically for the femslash, and well, I wouldn't say the two minutes where we got some were worth the long hours of our lives that we lost for them.
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Date: 2012-06-18 02:31 pm (UTC)One reboot I'm looking forward to, for instance: the new Spider-Man movie, which looks amazing. I detest both Tobey McGuire's and Kristen Dunst's acting, and it was mostly for the pleasure of watching Spidey flip through the air that I watched the pre-reboot movies; but I've loved Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone's works for a while, and they're both excellent actors who seem to be making a really enjoyable and interesting movie (which finally a Peter Parker who's snarky and sassy and Peter instead of, well, emo!boy). Hopefully this time this will be a case of the reboot actually being better than the originals.
I've never seen Korra! I've never seen A:tlA, either, for that matter. They're worth watching, then? I'm a little wary of animated stuff these days.
As for SW&tH, well, damn. I wasn't aiming for it to be great stuff, but if it's really that bad... it's funny, though, it's gotten some great reviews so far.
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Date: 2012-06-18 08:33 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-06-17 09:58 pm (UTC)I wasn't really offended by all the plot-hole and the general badness of the plot, just kinda disappointed. There were some nice part thought, the photography was very good and they managed to nail down the "Alien" general atmosphere.
Also : Why The Fuck are our "makers" are body-builded Voldemorts ? Is it supposed to be some kind of symbolism ? Is that where the stuff with the snake come from ? (Does that makes the face-hugger the apple or something ? ^^)
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Date: 2012-06-18 02:10 pm (UTC)What annoyed me the most in the end wasn't that the construction of the whole thing was void and the characters really lame, it's that even as a basic horror/atmosphere movie, it just doesn't work. I mean I'm a wuss, and I wasn't even afraid or even just a little stressed out during the whole thing! Whereas the very first opening shot of Alien makes me practically piss my pants in fear -- and it's not a nostalgia thing, I waited very long to actually see the first Alien, I only saw it when I was around 20! Prometheus on the other hand is extremely predictable, and you don't root for any of the characters because none of them is relatable, so you just don't give a fuck when they die. Sometimes you just wish they would die as soon as possible, like the geologist and the biologist who are, and I'll never stress this enough, complete morons.
Also : Why The Fuck are our "makers" are body-builded Voldemorts ?
I dunno, this is completely dumb too; if we have the same DNA, we should LOOK LIKE THE FUCKERS. IT'S BASIC SCIENCE STUFF YOU GUYS. EVEN I KNOW THIS.
Re: about the snake: from what other people gathered, the snake thing came from the worms that transformed inside the black goo. I don't know about the symbolics of it and I hope there isn't any, because it would bring a whole new level of stupid to something that is already very offensive to my intellect.
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Date: 2012-06-17 10:35 pm (UTC)Quand je l'aurais vu et si ça te dérange pas, jte dirais ce que j'en ai pensé !
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Date: 2012-06-18 02:21 pm (UTC)Après c'est pas un film qui est raté à tous les niveaux, mais je trouve que de nos jours "c'était joli" ou "les effets spéciaux étaient bien", ça ne suffit plus.
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Date: 2012-06-18 04:52 pm (UTC)no subject
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